HOMEOPATHY TO BE TAUGHT AT YALE DUE TO THIS VIDEO!
Posted in Homeopathy on 07/11/2010 02:21 pm by HolisticLiving
“The opponents of homeopathy, (and why it should have any is becoming more and more of a mystery) are saying that homeopathy is not evidence based medicine, when in fact, that’s all there is. How is it that anyone could believe that people would accept homeopathy as real based on nothing more than theory? There has been no theory for the action of homeopathics, it stands alone. The opponents of homeopathy speak of it as if we, the users, didn’t know how it’s made, which is completely counter intuitive to how most people think the world is put together. Who would think that by dilution in water it could have a biological effect on plants, animals and on human beings, not just biological effects, but psychological effects? Are the opponents of homeopathy really aware of the biological tests that have been done on it? Are they aware of the extensive biological tests that have been done on it? Do they know how many of these tests show the action of homeopathic substances? Read the Witt review of biochemical testing on homeopathics. The only people I see switching sides are skeptics, who as research scientists performed biological or biochemical testing on homeopathics and witnessed their action. The great French immunolgist Jacques Benveniste is an example of a scientist who was skeptical of homeopathy who had the courage to put it to the test, and when he reported his results, he was crucified. The evidence for homeopathy has been all there is to support it. It is an orphan …
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07/11/2010 at 2:42 pm
@ThrakhathOfKilrah You’re not dealing with reality. If you think that the mere appearance of a thing as being medical is enough for me & countless others to buy it OTC, feel its effects & then buy more, then what does that say about the brand of patented synthesized, ADVERTISED toxic crap you’re pushing? You’re the ones paid to make things up, hide behind pseudonyms, lie & attack time tested medicine. You’d have NOTHING to say or sell if you weren’t paid to lie & put real names on it .
07/11/2010 at 3:26 pm
@ThrakhathOfKilrah In order to keep getting paid to astroturf, you have to work out of your own dictionary & betray your own standards. The fact of the matter is we can walk down the street & buy FDA reg’d scientifically tested hpathic products right off the shelf & use them to treat our ills. If there’s a real case against it for fraud it would have been made in court DECADES ago. But it hasn’t. People want it because it WORKS. Google Barrett vs. Kingbio. Barrett tried & lost. as will you.
07/11/2010 at 3:33 pm
Except molecules do not have a memory…
But seriously speaking what homeopathy has that real medicine is lacking is greater time spent with the patients and the personal value for the patient. If there is something about homeopathy that could survive it is that. The trick is really to get rid of the pseudo-science, starting with watering down poison until only water remains etc.
07/11/2010 at 3:55 pm
@Bandershot
I think it is great that you have discovered that … and I think it is equally sad that you you are unable to share your discovery. You can make assertions all they long but in the end it “works” if it works consistently over time for different observers – not just one paper by one group. Imagine if we had the same standards for evaluating real medicine (difference being it is not just water that once contained other molecules).
07/11/2010 at 4:43 pm
@amoxtlacatl Due to political purposes they call it supramolecular. They can’t afford to be behind the curve onthis with material scientists at other universities such as Penn State and the U of Ariz, and Nobel laureate drinking the dilute flavored Kool Aid, proving hapthics with physical tests.
07/11/2010 at 4:44 pm
@Bandershot Another point that should be made here is that these medicines aren’t like patent medicines. They have a different structure and they work on different principles So in order to undertand them, physicans have relied on two things. One, their historical orthomolecular properties, which can be traced back to the earliest reporters; and their supramolecular properties, which have now been observed for 200 years, creating a huge empircal database. Mine now covers over 1000 substances.
07/11/2010 at 5:31 pm
@ThrakhathOfKilrah WHat we’ve discovered from repeated testing is that no matter how much evidence is presented, you won’t be satisfied. The only purpose you serve here is to bring forth facts. You do that by making false statements, and me responding to them with the truth. We then all begin to see that there really is no legit case against hpathy.
Moreover, the literature is overhelming in its descrition of the clinical action of these substances. Google James KENT materia medica homeoint
07/11/2010 at 5:46 pm
@Bandershot
I think that is fantastic! Now all that remains is to have other independent researchers do the experiment over and over again
My Google searches do not turn up a single scientific commentary on the paper which is slightly suspect. I mean, we wouldn’t want to rely on a single paper from a single source would we?
But of course you being scientifically trained (!?!) you are surely aware of that and why this is the case.
Which leads me to the question: Who are you trying to fool?
07/11/2010 at 6:43 pm
@ThrakhathOfKilrah
Ruta 6 selectively induces cell death in brain cancer cells but
proliferation in normal peripheral blood lymphocytes:
A novel treatment for human brain cancer
INT’L J OF ONCOLOGY 23: 975-982, 2003
Depts of Cancer Biology & Lab. Medicine, U. of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, Houston
This is just one of dozens of research papers like this.
Compare this to Pfizer’s huge fine for bribing docs to push untested drugs that killed people. Hypocrisy?.
07/11/2010 at 7:33 pm
@Bandershot
Actually I would have no problem with homeopathy working. It is just that in order for me to talk about it as “working” it would have to be “working” consistently in the same manner as other medicine. That is statistically significant effects when all biases are removed. If you have the scientific skill to administer such tests and write a paper about it, and the integrity to accept peer review and learn from it then go for it. Otherwise… who do you think you are fooling?
07/11/2010 at 7:36 pm
@ThrakhathOfKilrah There’s nothing much I can do better than what’s already been done, except to present it. Just what is it you think needs to be proven?
So far, I haven’t heard a cogent argument against it. The only problem with homeoapthy I have found so far is not that it doesn’t work, but that it does, and this is extremely disturbing to people of your mindset.
07/11/2010 at 7:37 pm
@Bandershot
If you had anything sensible to say you would be publishing your rigorous and ground breaking research – not imitating Adolph Hitler. It is really sad to see someone in their 60’s behave like teenagers.
07/11/2010 at 8:25 pm
I agree; homeopothies actually work. there is no evidence that they don’t work.
07/11/2010 at 8:55 pm
When exactly is Yale University beginning to teach homeopathy?
I can find no information on the Internet confirming that it will.
07/11/2010 at 9:44 pm
@teb0atoz “NO SCIENTIST HAVE CONVERTED. ”
Too bad the proverbial Cat is out of the Bag! lol!
It also allowed the entire world to see the Mr. Randi “Million Dollar Man” offer too was complete crap when he was challenged on this very subject.
He made excuses and finally dropped out when it became clear he could not control the results.
Randi is the very charlatan he claims to assail.
07/11/2010 at 9:51 pm
@teb0atoz Everything I’ve posted can be read online. Now take a look at your own assertions. I’m giving you the names of Nobel laureates you can Google, but what other than trying to impugn my character are you doing? Do you really think the position against homeoapthy is more credible because you lack an explanation for it? Read the literature. This is complex chemistry, not compound. Google Rustum Roy. If this was a delusion, the FDA wouldn’t regulate it.
07/11/2010 at 10:41 pm
@Bandershot Sorry bu as most those sources are unvarifiable this is just a lot of what I am convienced is your babbling giberish. I know that molecoules/atoms do NOT leave any mark or interaction on a water molecule. But if Homeopathy was correct then every molecule of water would impart effect from every thing it has ever come in contact with.
Homeopathy is just a way for someone, i.e.you, to delude people out of there money.
have a nice day
07/11/2010 at 11:15 pm
@teb0atoz Google “Interdiscip Sci Comput Life Sci (2009) 1: 81–90
“Electromagnetic Signals Are Produced by Aqueous Nanostructures Derived from Bacterial DNA Sequences” by Luc MONTAGNIER, 2008 Nobel prize winner for Medicine! These are only a few who have ‘converted.”
07/11/2010 at 11:17 pm
@teb0atoz “Simple-minded analysis suggests water, being a fluid, cannot have a structure homeopathy demands. But cases such as that of liquid crystals, which while flowing like an ordinary fluid can maintain an ordered structure over macroscopic distances, show the limitations of such ways of thinking. There have not, to the best of my knowledge, been any refutations of homeopathy that remain valid after this particular point is taken into account.” Brian Josephson, 1973 Nobel prize for physics
07/12/2010 at 12:01 am
@teb0atoz Google: “On the Structure of High Dilutions According to the Clathrate Model G.S. Anagnostatos, Institute of Nuclear Physics, National Center for Scientific Research, Attiki, Greece
07/12/2010 at 12:17 am
@teb0atoz “We measured 20-MHz R1 and R2 water proton NMR relaxation rates in ultrahigh dilutions (range 5.43·10−8 M–5.43·10−48 M) of histamine in water (Hist-W) and in saline (Hist-Sal), prepared by iterative centesimal dilutions under vigorous agitation in controlled atmospheric conditions. Unexpectedly, histamine dilutions remained distinguishable from solvents up to ultrahigh levels of dilution (beyond 10−20 in Hist-Sal)” Demangeat
07/12/2010 at 1:13 am
Homeopathy is snake oil. I can not pass valid scientific investigation, i.e. double blind testing. There is no validation.
A lot of words do not justification for this claptrap.
P.S. NO SCIENTIST HAVE CONVERTED.
07/12/2010 at 1:48 am
Great video !
Love your modality or method of “dropping knowledge”!
07/12/2010 at 2:19 am
@MrKevlav This so-called 1 million$ Randi thing was what opened my eyes to research the hundreds of different modalities from frequencies and electricity to dozens of powerful herbs compounds stolen from tribes by pharma.
Randi backed out on his “challenge” to homeopathy unless he could control the PLAYERS; made excuses to prevent his and pharma’s very black eye.
07/12/2010 at 2:39 am
@MrKevlav Since I hven’t heard anything more from you about your offer (maybe you were drunk when you made it) I am left with thehope that you will see the light about homeopathy for being the fantasticc medicine that it is.